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Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

I understand your point Bob, and it is a point well taken.

But in all fairness there are those who work the P2P niche (some of them here) and will continue to whether it's having Paul's account transferred to them, or joining up on their own.

Bish · Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:06 pm Post subject:

It's simple really... to some their behaviour has become unethical. To others, that point hasn't been reached yet... and to others it's a non-issue.

Everyone needs to make their own informed business decisions. As long as they are informed. I personally believe that if people know the facts, then the decision makes itself. There are plenty of people who like them and use them. The offer being made here may suit them nicely. I do agree that it's an interesting moral conundrum though.

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Bob Bergen · CM Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 981

I just would never offer to sell my portion of a business venture if I thought the company was unethical. Folks are welcome to come to whatever conclusion they want. But I would never ask someone to help subsidize my business investment knowing they were getting involved with what I thought was an unethical business model, even if the buyer didn't feel the same way. Or worse, wasn't aware that I thought the company was unethical. I say take the loss and move on if you come to the conclusion a business isn't ethical, rather than try to make your money back at someone else's expense. Karma is a bitch.

melissa eX · Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:58 pm Post subject:

I have to agree with Bob. If this were a simple business transaction - "Hey, I"m not into this anymore so who wants to buy the rest of my membership" I'd say fine. This isn't a judgement about p2p's. They're good for some, not for others - simple business decision.

BUT in this case there's this:

Philip Banks · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:52 am Post subject:

Pink Elephant in the room - Owners and managers of the site don't care and it would appear that neither do 46,000 of our great united community of Overs that we call Voice.

Cancel membership and tell them why, exactly why. Send me your Paypal account details and I'll send you the $100.

Case closed.

paulstefano · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:33 am Post subject:

SOLD
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Bish · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:38 am Post subject:

It is a conundrum. I see both sides of the argument.
If you held shares in Walmart and decided that their employment practices were unethical, what would you do? I think most people would divest themselves of the shares by selling them. What about those shoes when the brand is called-out for having child-labour sweat-shops? Throw them away, sell them, use them and not buy that brand again? You have a fur coat, and the process of time has made you question the ethics of the fur trade... sell, burn, give away? Not a perfect analogies I know, but there is no "absolute" here... it's ethics, and it's a personal choice. When I left Voices, I let my membership expire. Once I'd decided they were not right for me, should I have cancelled in a fit of pique? Maybe.

As much as I am at odds with Voices' practices, I am uncomfortable with telling someone (or trying to shame them by questioning their ethics), what to do in a situation like this. It's not as if anyone is saying, "these people are great, you should buy this!" ... it's an informed sale with reasons and motives clearly defined.

Still, as much as Paul didn't intend to start a debate, it is an interesting one.
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melissa eX · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:55 am Post subject:

It IS an interesting debate. No judgement intended. Everyone has their own personal line where something doesn't feel right and sometimes it doesn't even make sense to us, much less to anyone else. I could easily argue for the other side of the story - that at least for the time period the membership is being sold that's money that's not going into THEIR pockets. And that's a good argument too. I just go with my gut on what would be right or not, for ME.
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DenaliDave · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:28 am Post subject:

It seems like there's a lot of money to be made in the VO world not doing actual VO.

Selling books, running workshops, mastering demos, coaching, throwing seminars, subscription-based VO videos, paid-for critiques, paid-for custom DAW presets, P2P websites connecting talent & customers...
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Philip Banks · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:04 am Post subject:

Were it not for my "Teach the Iranian Double Pause" franchise I would be getting food stamps (less paymaster, union, H&R, agent and local mugger)

Bruce · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:28 am Post subject:

Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

Lee Gordon · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:50 pm Post subject:

The people who got rich during the California Gold Rush of 1849 were seldom the miners and prospectors. The people who got rich were mostly the ones selling things to the miners and prospectors.
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