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paulstefano
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I'm still very green to the business, including audiobooks, but here's my current style.
If the book is under 2 hours, I edit and master it myself. If not, I work with an editor who will master as well. Then I'm just left to QC at the end which I would want to do anyway.
I get that some people just like editing, myself included. That theory can sometimes go out the window, however when you are 15 hours in on a project!
Bottom, line, do what you like, and you are capable of in order to produce professional results.
Oh, and Congrats John!
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Rob Ellis
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| vkuehn wrote: | I read conversations where it appears that some people use the words edit and master as interchangeable.
Your post, as I read it, seems to suggest they are two totally different processes. Maybe having no kinship.
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Vernon,
As I understand it, editing is mostly removal of mouth noises and making sure the pacing of the read is such that it feels right to the listener.
Mastering is using compression, EQ, limiting, expanders, noise gates etc. to sweeten the audio so that the finished product sounds "finished." |
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Lee Gordon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| richvoice wrote: | I disagree with the advice, "Always hire an editor," as much as I disagree with any "Always..." advice.
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Always. 
How about "Never" advice? I have done only three audiobooks. Because editing is something I am good at and, for the most part, enjoy, I edited all three of those books and mastered two of them. However, I would NEVER proof my own book.
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Scott Pollak
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:03 am Post subject: |
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There's been a wealth of really great info in this thread and we're close to having beaten this horse to death, so I'll just throw in my last thoughts then try to bow out as gracefully as I can, even though I'm not known for being graceful.
First of all, in ANY endeavor, no matter what, it's almost always disingenious to say "Never", or "Always" (unless, say, it's skydiving or scuba diving or brain surgery, in which case there are some pretty rock-solid caveats to avoid implosion).
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The difference is people *thinking* they can do something themselves, and me *KNOWING* I can do something myself. |
Yes. I KNOW I can edit audio. I've done it for 30+ years, digitally for the last 20+. I've mastered 4 music cds. This isn't true for everyone, obviously. The important thing is to be very honest about your capabilities. If you THINK you can do it, then try it, but get professional feedback on your end result before you submit it for final approval or "publication". And then learn from your mistakes.
I also know I CAN'T sing a note. Thus I don't attempt it.
| Jeffrey Kafer wrote: | The other reason not to proof/edit your own stuff is because you WILL miss things. That time you read it wrong while narrating? There's a good chance you will miss it in the proofing stage, too.
My editor will often send me back a pickup and it will take me 3 times to listen to that section of audio before I realize I said it wrong.
You absolutely need a fresh set of ears to hear for mistakes. |
Jeff makes a very good point here and - again - I think it depends on you and your level of ADD or anal-retentiveness. When I started doing audiobooks I found that, indeed, I missed a LOT of stuff, even after editing. I was shocked "How did I miss that TWICE??". As time went on I became more disciplined. I now can submit audio for 12 hour books that have zero mistakes because, as I edit, I am locked into every word. And yes, I find a LOT of mistakes in my initial read that I have to fix. So again, I'm not sure this is an "Always" or "Never" caveat; I think it is more of a "Depends" as well as a learning curve. But having a "fresh set of ears" is never a bad thing.
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I respect Jeffrey's opinion a lot, especially in the field of audiobooks, but I disagree with the advice, "Always hire an editor," as much as I disagree with any "Always..." advice. But be very, very sure that you want to invest the time it's going to take to do a GOOD job editing and mastering your own work before you go down that road. |
And probably the wisest, and most astute comment on this entire thread.
Good advice and comments, one and all. Interesting thread.
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Bailey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm keeping an eye on this thread. |
| Quote: | | There's been a wealth of really great info in this thread |
| Quote: | ... if I had a nickel... The biggest issue for me was letting go of it
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| Quote: | | Contrary to what some may believe, one answer does not fit all. |
| Quote: | | Do what works for you wherever you are in your career |
| Quote: | | ... especially in the field of audiobooks |
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sdaeley17
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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And Bailey wins the award for the best off-the-cuff response!
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DenaliDave
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott Pollak wrote: |
Yes. I KNOW I can edit audio. I've done it for 30+ years, digitally for the last 20+. I've mastered 4 music cds. This isn't true for everyone, obviously. The important thing is to be very honest about your capabilities. If you THINK you can do it, then try it, but get professional feedback on your end result before you submit it for final approval or "publication". And then learn from your mistakes. |
Very true!
For me, before I even did my first book I probably spend upwards of 300+ hours recording stuff just for my own learning. I spent months and months just fine tuning and comparing my own material to "the big leagues" before I even entertained the idea of trying to do something for someone.
I will say that if I had done what "everyone told me to do" I certainly wouldn't be where I am right now...which, I admit, isn't where I want to be -- but I'll get there. Geographically where I'm living doesn't make matters easier! LOL!
The thing is, I think a lot of people run around doing what other people tell them, chasing their tails and grasping at to much advice. I think it's an easy place to fall into when you're eager.
But...everyone's path and careers are different, it's kind of hard to shoehorn and cookie-cutter everyone together with a broad brush.
Just like how there's a voice for every character and occasion, we're all unique and go about things in different ways. Many trails up the mountain and whatnot!
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