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todd ellis
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anybody see any worry that i don't about this new AB5 law in CA?
it extends employee classification status to gig workers - supposed to make the A,B,C test more rigorous ... maybe? it looks to me like the same thing MA did several years ago - and i still work with MA folks all the time.
some CA vo-folk i hire on occasion have brought it up as a concern.
i don't really think it is.
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Not really. I operate via an S-Corp, which means this law doesn't touch me in any significant way. For those who choose to remain sole proprietors, or who use an LLC, it may be another issue altogether.
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todd ellis
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so, connie ... say i hire you to do a VO job at an agreed upon rate.
your equipment
your timeframe
are you an employee or a contractor?
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ConnieTerwilliger
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In my mind I am an independent contractor and I will continue to sell myself that way. You will not have to pay disability insurance or unemployment, nor contribute to my Health Insurance or pension.
I am a little concerned about my free lance writing for an educational grant based group that hires me to write scripts.
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ricevoice
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| Kim Fuller wrote: | | Opinions on various VO boards seem (as ever) split as to whether this will be an issue for voice actors and producers in California, or hired by those in California. |
That's what I'm wondering. Because I don't see any way the state can compel non-CA businesses to comply with this. And for those of us in CA it seems that as long as you have a business license and have a normal v-o business operation, we should be fine.
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| Quote: | | Opinions on various VO boards |
Wait - there are OTHER VO boards!?
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| BruceG wrote: | | Quote: | | Opinions on various VO boards |
Wait - there are OTHER VO boards!? |
 Someone had to say it.... |
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I'm so glad someone did.
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| Of course AB56 5RU is a far more thingy thing! |
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Jack Daniel
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| todd ellis wrote: | say i hire you to do a VO job at an agreed upon rate...
are you an employee or a contractor? |
It depends on that person's tax status. For me, as an employee of my S-corp, I am "loaned out" by my company for service. My corp is responsible for all payroll taxes etc. You are not.
Whether this holds true regarding other statuses, I can't say, but even for non-S-corp persons, the law does appear to allow for a number of jobs before you are recognized as an employer.
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todd ellis
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looks to me like, yet another, reason to flee california.
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| todd ellis wrote: | | looks to me like, yet another, reason to flee california. |
It does appear that our legislators are working hard to export as many working people as possible.
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todd ellis
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not to get too political, which is a no-no ... illinois is not much better (small-business-wise) and i have a 5-year plan to reverse-beverly hillbilly it, pile into the conestoga f-150 and head south to tennessee.
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