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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: Begs the Question (usage content) |
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From Paul Brian's Common Errors in English:
Quote: | An argument that improperly assumes as true the very point the speaker is trying to argue for is said in formal logic to “beg the question.” Here is an example of a question-begging argument: “This painting is trash because it is obviously worthless.” The speaker is simply asserting the worthlessness of the work, not presenting any evidence to demonstrate that this is in fact the case. Since we never use “begs” with this odd meaning (“to improperly take for granted”) in any other phrase, many people mistakenly suppose the phrase implies something quite different: that the argument demands that a question about it be asked—raises the question. If you’re not comfortable with formal terms of logic, it’s best to stay away from this phrase, or risk embarrassing yourself. |
How succint!
Misuse of this term is a constant peeve of mine, as is misuse of "The lion's share" to mean "most" when it really means ALL.
Feeling incorrect?
Check usage here:
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html#errors _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I have this site bookmarked and to which I refer when sending email from my grammarpolice addy.
It helps cut the muster, for sure.
And now I know what is the lion's share. This is important to a Leo.
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | The Lion's Share
The Lion went once a-hunting along with the Fox, the Jackal,
and the Wolf. They hunted and they hunted till at last they
surprised a Stag, and soon took its life. Then came the question
how the spoil should be divided. "Quarter me this Stag," roared
the Lion; so the other animals skinned it and cut it into four
parts. Then the Lion took his stand in front of the carcass and
pronounced judgment: The first quarter is for me in my capacity
as King of Beasts; the second is mine as arbiter; another share
comes to me for my part in the chase; and as for the fourth
quarter, well, as for that, I should like to see which of you will
dare to lay a paw upon it."
"Humph," grumbled the Fox as he walked away with his tail
between his legs; but he spoke in a low growl.
"You may share the labours of the great,
but you will not share the spoil." |
Want more?
http://www.aesopfables.com/aesopsel.html _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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jrodriguez315 A Hundred Dozen

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todd ellis A Zillion

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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i thought it was "cut the CHEESE" ... hmmm _________________ "i know philip banks": todd ellis
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: |
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indeed it's NOT cut the mustard. or the cheese. or the crap.
m-u-s-t-e-r _________________ sitting at #8, though not as present as I'd like to be. Hello!
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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It's "muster"—look it up! _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Vance Elderkin Contributor IV
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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As a former writing teacher, my biggest pet peeve is people who misuse hopefully as in: "Hopefully, I'll get that high-paying job." Hopefully is misused as a substitute for I hope, and it makes me crazy.
I am also annoyed by people who use the non-existent word alright instead of all right, and people who use the wrong homonym. And I don't mean the critters in Gulliver's Travels.
I still remember the student who wrote a story about a "bazaar" murder in downtown Raleigh... |
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jrodriguez315 A Hundred Dozen

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Cut the mustard
Here is the article on “cut the mustard” from the faq (frequently asked questions list) of the UseNet newsgroup alt.usage.english:
This expression meaning “to achieve the required standard” is first recorded in an O. Henry story of 1902: “So I looked around and found a proposition [a woman] that exactly cut the mustard."
It may come from a cowboy expression, “the proper mustard", meaning “the genuine thing", and a resulting use of “mustard” to denote the best of anything. O. Henry in Cabbages and Kings (1894) called mustard “the main attraction": “I’m not headlined in the bills, but I’m the mustard in the salad dressing, just the same.” Figurative use of “mustard” as a positive superlative dates from 1659 in the phrase “keen as mustard", and use of “cut” to denote rank (as in “a cut above” ) dates from the 18th century.
Other theories are that it is a corruption of the military phrase "to pass muster” ("muster", from Latin _monstrare_="to show", means "to assemble (troops), as for inspection” ); that it refers to the practice of adding vinegar to ground-up mustard seed to “cut” the bitter taste; that it literally means “cut mustard” as an example of a difficult task, mustard being a relatively tough crop that grows close to the ground; and that it literally means “cut mustard” as an example of an easy task (via the negative expression “can’t even cut the mustard” ), mustard being easier to cut at the table than butter.
The more-or-less synonymous expression “cut it” (as in “” sorry” doesn’t cut it” ) seems to be more recent and may derive from "cut the mustard". _________________ Joe Rodriguez, Bilingual Voice Actor | The Voiceover Thespian Blog |
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scottnilsen King's Row

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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The only context I have ever heard "cut the mustard" it was being used as a synonym for "cut the cheese." _________________ We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Well, that and mimes.
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bobsouer Frequent Flyer

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Vance Elderkin wrote: | I still remember the student who wrote a story about a "bazaar" murder in downtown Raleigh... |
Vance,
This took place, no doubt, during the county fair?  _________________ Be well,
Bob Souer (just think of lemons)
The second nicest guy in voiceover.
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, a county fair in Egypt, maybe.
Another peeve of mine is the misuse of the word ANXIOUS when EAGER is meant.
Meh! _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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the peeps here think 'ornery' (pron.: AHHNree) means ignorant (pron.: iggnernt)
and ignorant means cranky. _________________ sitting at #8, though not as present as I'd like to be. Hello!
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mcm Smart Kitteh

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I hate it when people say "there's always a first time" as if there HAS to be a first time. When all it means is that, if there's going to be a time at all, there has to be a first one, well... first. |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Another shriek is "First Annual".
Impossible!
It might be the "first", but it's not "annual" until it actually occurs again the following year. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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