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kitstern
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 Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: ProTools M-Powered 7 and Firewire? |
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Hey gang,
I took the audiobook seminar from Edge on Saturday, and it was totally awesome. Three hours jam-packed with information, so worth $99! After hearing the seminar and the ease of punch recording and editing with ProTools and Firewire, I'm off on a gear search and wonder if anyone on the board has experience with ProTools M-Powered and some kind of Firewire (1814, 410, Audiophile)? I'm at the start of the research, but the ability to use ProTools and Firewire in editing long-form narration has me wanting to upgrade from my MBox.
Is anyone with an MBox using punch recording now with ProTools? Given the latency factor I don't know if it's possible, but it sure would make editing narrations easier. As it is, the narration is the easy part for me, the editing is what takes the time.
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CWToo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:14 am Post subject: Re: ProTools M-Powered 7 and Firewire? |
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| kitstern wrote: | | Is anyone with an MBox using punch recording now with ProTools? Given the latency factor I don't know if it's possible, but it sure would make editing narrations easier. As it is, the narration is the easy part for me, the editing is what takes the time. |
Editing in Pro Tools is so easy I would think it would be faster to edit than do punch ins. But that's just me and I dig editing. Anyway, Pro Tools LE has several handy punch in tools for you, including QuickPunch. You can preset the amount of preroll you want so you can "sing along" before the punch in point. |
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kgenus
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Latency? You record with headphones on?
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marko
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been using PT for 5 years now and love it. Right now, I'm on 6.9.2. I honestly have never used the Quick Punch or Punch In feature. How would this work with voice-overs, and what's the benefit? |
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Charlie Channel
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: ProTools M-Powered 7 and Firewire? |
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| CWToo wrote: | | Anyway, Pro Tools LE has several handy punch in tools for you, including QuickPunch. You can preset the amount of preroll you want so you can "sing along" before the punch in point. |
I just did a test without low latency and with low latency enabled. In either case, Quick Punch works fine. However, there are some engineering tricks you need to get comfortable with.
1. Duplicate the track on which you're going to do a punch-in.
This is why: The idea is to be able to hear what you've already recorded up to the punch-in point, hear the punch-in content and hear the content after the punch in. Now, here's the logical, but obscure, digital reality.
Pro Tools gives you two modes for monitoring. The first is "Auto Input Monitoring." What that means is Pro Tools will not pipe your mic input to your headphones (or speakers) when you Play the track. Instead, it monitors what you've recorded (Play). But, when you get to the punch-in section, if you've enabled Record, it will "automatically" switch to monitoring the microphone input. When it gets past the punch-in, it switches back to Play monitoring.
Actually, you want to simultaneously hear you mic input and what you've recorded so you can "sing along" and match pace, power and mood up to the punch-in point, punch in, and then punch-out and hear what comes after the punched content.
The problem is that in the Auto Input mode, when you enable Record, you're only going to hear what's being Play(ed) and not the mic input until the punch-in point. But, when you duplicate the track, you're able to put Pro Tools in the "Input Monitorng" mode, hear what's been recorded when you Play that track, and the mic input at the same time.
In the Input Monitoring mode, you can hear the mic input. Punch-in will still work on the track you want to Record over. However, you will not be able to monitor you mic input ON THE TRACK YOU ARE PUNCHING AUDIO IN. But, punch-in still works.
2. On the track you're going to use for monitoring only, delete the section that you're going to punch-in.
This is easy. First, select the section to punch-in on the original track, then duplicate the track. On the track to be used for monitoring, delete the section to be punched in.
3. Punch-in:
Record: Track 1:->|PUNCH|->
XXXXX: Track 2: ->|BLANK|->
Input Only (under the Operations menu).
Viola! You can hear yourself, simultaneously talk over recorded content being played back and punch-in at the appropriate point, hearing yourself all the while.
After you punch-in, disable Record. Solo and Play Track 1.
There may be another way to do this, but that's what worked perfectly for me. Without low latency, there was a little delay, but it wasn't too bad on the 002-Rack. I could still punch-in and edit using the Trim tool to get everything lined up perfectly.
Thanks for giving me an excuse to finally figure this out. 
Cheers!
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Charlie Channel
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| marko wrote: | | I've been using PT for 5 years now and love it. Right now, I'm on 6.9.2. I honestly have never used the Quick Punch or Punch In feature. How would this work with voice-overs, and what's the benefit? |
The benefit is you don't have to re-record the entire take or sentence or paragraph, only the word or phrase you muffed. Assume you've got the "perfect" read, except you screwed up one friggin' word. You know the kind of read that causes you to curse yourself, swear to heaven and then be thankful the client wasn't around -- after you screw it up the forth time and mutter, 'Why oh why am I this way? What's wrong with me. This doesn't make any sense. I can, after all, still talk!'
You can read the text, matching pace, pitch and power, insert the correction, and cut it in so nobody will ever know what happened, at all.
And, sometimes, it's just as easy to do the whole thing over without messin' around.
Long form narration really benefits from being able to punch in.
Is it snowing around here?
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Philip Banks
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| So ProTools is essentially for people with too much time on their hands? Flights to Portgordon provided for anyone who wants to use my power tools to help with the restoration of 1 Catchcart Street |
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brianforrester
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Phil... as long as it's not -17 before windchill, you can count me in! That is as long as there's a direct flight from Calgary to Portgordon :wink:
It should be noted however, that if I'm as clumsy with Power Tools as I am with Pro Tools, watch out Catchcart Street cause disaster is on its way!
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