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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11075 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Deirdre wrote: | Pat Fraley told me "Work harder, or call it a hobby." |
An extract from his Sermon on the shockmount? |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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audio'connell T-Shirt

Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 1969 Location: in a dark studio with a single bulb light...day after day after....
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Well um, gee....I've had a really good 2006 so far.
(knock Banks' head...er, I mean wood )
Its all about two words for me anyway, persistent marketing.
Stick with it if you love it...one less VO outta the million or so that seem to be out there won't make the pool any less cramped. _________________ - Peter
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: |
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David,
Don't listen to Philip Curmudgeon Banks, since his post was intended only for those who want to give up, which you clearly don't.
Sources say that January-March are the slowest months of the year in VO, with January being the slowest (in some regions, summer is slow).
Having said that, it never hurts to re-evaluate your strategy on a regular basis - are the demos as good as they can be (this is a generic question), is your marketing plan a good one, are you allocating your energies effectively. The one thing you mentioned that I would question is the amount of time you're devoting to auditioning for low-paying gigs on V123 and IV. How many of your current clients have come from that source? Sure it's a way to keep your voice in shape, but is it the best way, considering that you aren't getting any feedback most of the time except a resounding silence? Wouldn't it be better to be working with a producer/director who can say, "let's try it this way"? So, how do you get there? Go to the source and focus your energies there would be one way, and/or try to get an agent. What other ways to get to these people are there? What other networking possibilities do you have? Maybe a college alumni network? Perhaps you could tap into former classmates' networks?
While looking always for new contacts, also don't neglect the old. Sometimes it takes quite a while. I got a new client this weekend - someone I had contacted in January 2005. It took 3 follow-up emails at one-month intervals before I got any response at all, and then it was, "we'll keep you in mind". I kept them updated on my VO shenanigans on a quarterly basis, the most recent update being about 2 weeks ago. Finally, they had something for me. It's possible that the reason for this is that in my last update I pointed them to my new demos - I did not have a narration demo until last month, only a commercial demo, and 60% of my VO gigs have been commercials, compared with the overall VO market which I've heard is 10% commercial and 90% narration. Or, it just could be that the time of my last update happened to coincide with a need for a voice like mine.
Persistence is obviously key, as you already know; when I'm feeling particularly discouraged I try to remember that it takes 3-5 years to get a business up and running well. But always, if things don't seem to be working the way you want them to, think about what you might be able to change. |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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mcm wrote: | Having said that, it never hurts to re-evaluate your strategy on a regular basis |
Or as the Philosophers at Camp Cooper say:
When Life slaps you upside the face with a fish,
it's time to re-tool. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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brianforrester Backstage Pass

Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 492 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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mcm wrote: | Sources say that January-March are the slowest months of the year in VO, with January being the slowest (in some regions, summer is slow).
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I couldn't agree more...
If you really believe that, then you can add every other month into the mix as well and guess what?? It'll most definately be true! While you're at it, wake up each morning and tell yourself that it's going to be a bad day, look in the mirror and tell yourself that you'll never lose that final 5 pounds, walk down the street and believe that everyone is mean... if you have that state of mind, then by all means it will be your reality!!!!
Sorry to be flippant Mary, but it really drives me crazy when people buy into the notion that there are slow times and boom times! You could ask 36 different v/o's in the same market to choose only one month as being what their slow time is and I'd be willing to bet that you'd fill the calendar. It's all about what you focus on and decide to make a reality! Some people say that Christmas time is slow, however how many of you were up late on Christmas eve finishing off those "I'm sorry, but I've just got to get this one wrapped before New Years Day" projects?
Focus on success and decide that failure is for the guy down the street, and if you are prepared to put in the time, you'll find success (unless you really suck, but if you really sucked, your ego wouldn't have allowed you to stay here this long and endure the honest critisism that is handed out so fairly on a regular basis!)
I choose to succeed! I will not wait for the phone to ring, I'll ring phones and light up e-mails. I'll be polite, persistent and professional in everything that I do.
In this business, if you choose to wait for the gigs to come to you, you're going to be waiting for a very long time... I'd be willing to bet that there isn't a single person out there searching for Brian Forrester Professional Voice Talent, who I haven't in some manner contacted first! I wish there were hundreds of them, heck... thousands! but the reality is that whatever I don't do successfully, somebody else will.
I've mentioned this before, but I don't do much work in my local market... more by choice than anything, but over the past couple of years I've run a bit of an informal study... when I decide to get in touch with the engineers here in town and simply touch bases, be it coffee or a phone call, or I bump into one of them at the local gear shop, 90% of the time within a week I'm in at least one studio voicing a spot. My point? BE FRONT OF MIND!
Okay, this is getting long winded! In short... believe that you will be successfull, accept that it takes time (LOTS OF TIME!!!) and dedicate the right amount of time to marketing and practice. I don't believe that anyone on this board with more than 50 posts is spending time here because they simply like the look of the place (sorry Deebs, no offense!), they want to spend time with working pros, and gleen as much info as possible. But, each minute that we spend browsing and chatting here, is a minute that we don't spend contacting our next client. Find a balance between all of the many aspects of this crazy business and you will find success. Or, just let v/o be a hobby!
Success comes to those who work at it, failure comes to those who wait. _________________ Brian Forrester Voice Overs
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11075 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Amen!! Preach it Brother, preach it!
January - Post Christmas so bound to be quiet
February - Too close to Easter so may as well wait
March - The Easter break is upon us so do it after the holiday.
April - End of the financial year for a lot of people, no money about.
May - Post year end we need ot wait until the budgets are set for the year ahead.
June - June? June!!! No one does any business in June DUH!
July - Kids holidays, the sun is out so people would rather not think about work.
August - Ooooooo Autumn(Fall) is nearly with us time to plan for a big finish so the last 3 month are going to be good.
September - Kids back to school and then it's back into the swing of things
October - Let's wait so we can give the Christmas project the time and money it deserves.
November - Bit early to start pushing Christmas stuff just yet.
December - Well if people haven't done it by now they never will. Still, think positive...January will be with us..New year, new start! |
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brianforrester Backstage Pass

Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 492 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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The pulpit is now free Phil. The soap box has been vacated... feel free to hop up any time! _________________ Brian Forrester Voice Overs
www.brianforrester.com
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Charlie Channel Club 300
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 356 Location: East Palo Alto, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: Re: what do you do??? |
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dscott wrote: | keep those irons in the fire, poke it around if it die down!!!
Dave |
Hey, looks like we're on the same train. Love the flick, Dave ... the bass!
I spend time with my bass instruments, too. And, I did my taxes this weekend. I did have a couple of 1099's, and W-2's. And, I mean a couple.
And, yes, I've felt discouraged.
It's been a real drought around here. But, last week my agency called me for a gig that's was really sweet. Also, I got a modeling audition. And, last year I got paid for a PSA job that was never broadcast. I just received a DVD in the mail from the producer with a note that it's been sent to all TV stations in the region.
In order for anything to grow, you've got to plant seeds. So, when you're not harvesting, try planting. And, if you're not planting, try cultivation. You know, dig around and toss a little compost in the garden. Do a little spade work, turning some manure into the soil you're going to plant and cultivate. After all, Spring is here!
I've also been accumulating corks for Hart. I've got 4 since he made his request. That is turning into a nice little project of distraction. Oh, and read a good book. I picked up one my daughter bought about the Dave Matthews Band.
Oh, and one other suggestion for growth: Do something you directlly related to the business that you KNOW you're not supposed to do or you've never done before, and see what happens. You'll learn something about yourself.
Obey Charlie's Laws:
Charlie's First Law: Nobody will have more fun than me!
Charlie's Second Law: Everybody must obey Charlie's First Law. _________________ Charlie |
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Jeff McNeal Guest
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Do you ever... |
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Andy wrote: | ...feel like calling it quits. It's been a day of rejection. Yeah. Everyone has 'em. But what do you folks do to keep from letting it ruin your week? |
Hey! I'm having one of those days myself! So, one of the first things I did was go finish conditioning the leather in my car. Then, I sent a couple of notes to producers I've recently worked with and attached the latest work I've done, touching base and inviting them to let me know if they need anything.
Then, I ate some leftover pasta from a nearby drive-thru spaghetti place that makes sauce to die for. I can't believe how good they are! A little Romano cheese to top it off. Ah.... Feeling better already!
Of course, I can't say if the same regimen will work for you. Your mileage may vary. Once again, I am touched by Philip's sensitivity and empathy. Oh-oh, I'm starting to feel depressed all over again.
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audiogenic Guest
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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When you spend an industry average of 90% of your time looking for work versus actually working, sure takes it's toll at times. |
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like a lot has changed here in the year since this thread started. Back then, the tone was pretty supportive. Today, yow, don't forget to duck. Is it just Grumpy Monday? |
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kitstern Been Here Awhile
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 218 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Amen.
And Phillip.........Harrumph back atcha. _________________ Enjoy life, this is not a rehearsal.
http://www.kitziestern.com/ |
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Hart Assistant Asylum Chief

Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 2107 Location: Foley, AL
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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hmm. I've been quite busy today and missed most of this as it was happening. It's been quite... insightful ... I suppose is the word, but I don't think in the way that most of you intended. There definitely is a sense of bitterness in this thread.
Now, I have to go back to working on an audition . Wish me luck.
.... or don't. _________________ Hart Voice Overs Blog
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't call it "bitterness" per se, but I certainly detect an overload of smart-assitude.
Just relax everyone. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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