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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The future is full of surprises and I like surprises. Knowing what will happen next takes the edge off of even the biggest surprise.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Another take on the panel Reply with quote

I came away from the LA panel, initially quite discouraged......

...but as the feel of what they said sunk in it occurred to me that there was another side to the story...

10 years ago, the need for an agent and to work out of LACHINY ( the mythical land) was almost a given. Since then, technology had enabled a great deal of us to work from home and make a living. In the next 10 years technology will keep marching on and as a result the industry WILL change. Based on how it HAS changed I would say that much of what we heard was based on fear... a defensive reaction to the future prospect that LACHINY's hold on the market will fade as they become less relevant to the process.

Not only do I believe I can succeed with out the blessing's of the LACHINY gods, I think that their collective hold on the market isn;t as strong as they would hope it is....

all that clap trap said, there is no doubt that major work is controlled in large part by the LACHINY power brokers...... however if the last 10 years is an example of what CAN happen, who knows what WILL happen.....

(now to read the other 20 posts and see what the other thoughts are on this)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yoda117 wrote:
Considering that several panels at VOICE 2008 specifically said that you didn't need to do this, I'm curious as to where you came up with this.


I came out of the LA panel (disney & other agents??) with exactly the thought... " IF you aren;t prepared to be BE in LA, you have a ghosts chance of making it in several shoots of the industry." It seems to me to be the major message... yes there was plenty of be you and work hard and audition smart... all good stuff...

btw.. Even though I feel/see it this way, I am not in the least bit discouraged at this point... I have WAY too much going for me.... I did perceive them as being a bit defensive... consider the "effect" VOICE is having and will have in the future... methinks the LAST thing some in the industry want to see is VOICE actors presenting a unified presence in the market... being a solid community on their own, outside a union... we get along and are a great gang of folks... t'will be interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm recalling the panel you're referring to, they were speaking specifically about having to be in LA for animation work.

There are plenty of successful vos out there that aren't in LA/NY/CHI. Yes, some lived in one or a couple of those spots and then moved away, but I know of some that have never lived in those towns, and are doing VERY well. It doesn't hurt to HAVE an agent in the major markets, but you don't have to live in them (and yes, many major market agents are with the times and will accept talent that don't live in their town).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Caryn -- it was Bob Bergen who said specifically that RIGHT NOW you need to be in LA to do animation work. But he also said that that will undoubtedly be changing in the future.

However, I have a friend that does a great deal of animation work, along with stage and screen -- and he lives in NY, and has for all of his 30+ year career.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: Another take on the panel Reply with quote

SimondsSays wrote:
I would say that much of what we heard was based on fear... a defensive reaction to the future prospect that LACHINY's hold on the market will fade as they become less relevant to the process.

Not only do I believe I can succeed with out the blessing's of the LACHINY gods, I think that their collective hold on the market isn;t as strong as they would hope it is....


Maybe it's because I'm a resident of the mythical land, but personally I didn't come away from VOICE feeling like I had to be in one place or another . . . and I don't get a sense of elitism about the big 3, it's just that these areas are major hubs of the film/tv and advertising industries and so it makes sense that certain types of VO work would center around them--after all, voice acting is not its own self-encompassed industry. We are dependent upon someone else's need for a role to be filled--whether that entity be a publishing house, a local hair salon or Pixar. There are many, many diverse opportunities for voice actors, but the big shiny attractive bits that many people are drawn to (and that many people wanted to hear about at Voice) are tethered to film & tv/advertising. And a large portion of the film & tv/advertising industries are tethered to LA/Chi/NY (after all, not all pieces of the puzzle are as mobile as VO talent). Hence the relevance of LA/Chi/NY to VO, even as technology advances.

Does that mean to be "successful" as a voice actor, you must be in LA, Chicago, or NYC? Well, success is incredibly personal. I think the answer to that question depends upon your definition of success.

What I got from the conference was that if your goal is to make a great living as a voice actor, you absolutely do not have to be in LA/Chi/NY-- after all, there were even Voice panelists/presenters from other areas, and you are right in saying that technology is rapidly increasing the amount of work available to those outside of the major 3--but if you are chasing the dream of becoming a major player in animation, major network promo, etc, then you better be willing to make the move if need be, because those areas are so tiny and competitive as it is, and even when distance isn't a problem (a lot of animated shows still do ensemble recordings, for ex), there's not much motivation for talent seekers to accommodate out-of-towners when they have thousands of eager actors right on their collective doorsteps.

But then again, that's just my opinion

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on a previous post by Sir Phillip regarding $$$ from a single client and this great assessment of the real world, may we ask you, Sir, for career path advice for we startups?

Rob
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be "US startups".

Read aloud every day.
Record yourself.
Make a demo.
Get a website.
Find out who needs the kind of work you can do and call or write them.
Be persistent.

90-95% of your labor will be spent looking for work.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimondsSays wrote:


I came out of the LA panel (disney & other agents??) with exactly the thought... " IF you aren;t prepared to be BE in LA, you have a ghosts chance of making it in several shoots of the industry." It seems to me to be the major message... yes there was plenty of be you and work hard and audition smart... all good stuff...


While it's true that you need to be in NY or LA for some of it, they were very specific in stating that there were ways around it and that technology was quickly closing a lot of those remaining gaps (I just commented on a white paper and RFC proposal which would take animation a step further with the ability to stream both audio and video in an asynchronous manner... too bandwidth heavy for commercial users, but possible with some users).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like 'em DB!
They have worked for me.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil, good advice, as always...whether your source came from LA or Baton Rouge, LA

And yep DB, 90%-95% of the work is finding the work. If I had a nickle for every time this past week I dialed the phone and said, "Good afternoon I'm Drew..."

We'd all be at my new ranch at the beach sipping a fine assortment of libation on my tab. Then we'd all go out and tip some my overly priced Angus cattle.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These threads always tear at me.
Considering the well-drilled army of coaches and advisors intoning a Carpet Bombing strategy, I feel downright mutinous in my slacker ways.
Were I expected to spend 90-95% of my work time finding work, I'd rather hie myself down to the employment office and find a regular paycheque stirring cheese vats.

The sheer volume of slick and well-branded VO's now marching in perfect formation is becoming an assault on hirers. A radio-ad producer told me last week that I wouldn't believe how many VO's his secretary has to hang up on every day.

Rob wrote:
may we ask you, Sir, for career path advice for we startups?
Rob


I'm the wrong Sir, Rob (and, anyways, more SYRUP than SIR), but methinks your very, very, very first step down the path is to think smaller strides.
I'm only half-jesting in my flippant little forum joke: How To Barely Get By in the Voiceover Business. (September Day Leach put it on YouTube, if you're really bored.)
In the twelve years up to 2007, my best year was $32,000 (in VO income).
But this was enough.

Sometimes - platitudes and soaring sentiments aside - it is more important to lower one's expectations than to heighten one's blood pressure.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite right. 20,000 emails, 5,000 CDs, 1500 phone calls and $1,000 per month on getting the website in a place where it can be found all combined to launch a Voice Over career may prove unfruitful. There's a book called "Step up to the mic" a better book for the majority may be called "Know when to step away from the mic".

If you're able to prove what you're doing is working it also follows that you should be able to tell if what you're doing isn't working. Spot the latter? Stop doing it!

Anyone who searches the archives will find the story and the facts on how I got started. What do I do now? General principles of PR and marketing apply but with a unique Philip Banks approach and that's a tough thing for anyone other than Philip Banks to replicate unless you're selling exactly the same as Philip Banks. Think about it, it's not as daft as it seems.

"Dare to be different".
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:
That would be "US startups".


Sorry Mom, in this case it's "we". (Remember, we is addressing a member of a royal fereign family.) : )

Your beloved son,
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's $20, Robbie Dear— go get yourself an ice cream.
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