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Diane Havens
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Well, folks are living a great deal longer nowadays, so we all better learn how to get along.
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louzucaro
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| Diane Havens wrote: | | Maybe if we stop labeling people, it would be harder to know where to sling the mud. |
Except that labels go both ways...people love to be labeled as (included in) groups they like, just not ones they don't.
There's this joke I like to make about hot chicks at bars: One minute you could hear a girl say "Oh, gawd, that creepy guy was totally checking me out. Ick. Guys are so gross!" and the next, you could hear her say "Oh my god that hot guy over there was totally checking me out! Do I look ok?!"
It's not the action, it's the audience.
Labels are kinda the same way,
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Diane Havens
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm sure labels wouldn't exist if people didn't like them. Most of us feel we want to belong to a club. And then it's human nature for one club to think it's better than the other club.
But when I started this thread, I was more concerned about the legacy of the Boomer generation being diminished and written off, than not liking your cranky old neighbor. You would never hear anyone bash the Greatest Generation, with all their collective accomplishments in such a manner without an outcry.
As Shakespeare said, "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them."
Every generation has their challenges that reflect the situation with which they are confronted at the time -- and are judged by what they do with them.
I'd hate to see my generation dismissed as insignificant at best, and self-indulgent at worst.
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dMichaelb
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Diane Havens wrote: | | I'd hate to see my generation dismissed as insignificant at best, and self-indulgent at worst. |
Diane,
As a boomer myself (and one who actually lived in San Francisco in 1969), I know that it can be troubling to be "dismissed" by our successors. But, on the other hand, I loved your eloquent summation because, in part, if there has ever been a generation that could appreciate the irony, humor and inevitability of being "dismissed as insignificant at best, and self-indulgent at worst," I'd like to believe it's ours.
Peace.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Diane Havens wrote: | | I'd hate to see my generation dismissed as insignificant at best, and self-indulgent at worst. |
History will write the truth of your generation. Whether you will like that truth remains to be seen.
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Gp
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| You can't control what your generation does. What they might or might not contribute. How or will they be remembered. What you can do is control what you do. Which will contribute to how your generation is perceived. |
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CarynClark
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm... I had the cranky old neighbor story. Perhaps I missed the point, or perhaps I didn't make mine clear.
Edited to add: I just re-read this thread. I think Doc said it best "It's PEOPLE." That's how some people are. And, the media in general propagates a lot of things as well. That's why my husband and I (and I'm sure you are too, Diane) are VERY selective of the periodicals we read and the channels we watch.
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Diane Havens
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: | | Diane Havens wrote: | | I'd hate to see my generation dismissed as insignificant at best, and self-indulgent at worst. |
History will write the truth of your generation. Whether you will like that truth remains to be seen. |
I'm afraid I won't be around to see it, Jeffrey, so I'll never know. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, so no worries. Still, I stand by my statement -- just feelings, after all. I equally abhor calling those born in the 70s and 80s the "me" generation, or any other blanket generalizations, good or bad, for the purposes of sociology classes.
And, yes, of course, Gp, all we can do is do our personal best, try to make the world a better place than when we entered it, and leave the rest to the kindness of the historians who come after us.
Gosh -- I hope they read this thread.
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Diane Maggipinto
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I'm a pretty big deal.
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Diane Havens
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| CarynClark wrote: | | That's why my husband and I (and I'm sure you are too, Diane) are VERY selective of the periodicals we read and the channels we watch. |
Well, yes and no, Caryn. I like to hear as many viewpoints as possible, even when I know I'll probably disagree with them. Not the real trash, though -- that's probably what you mean. It comes of my days teaching research, perhaps. The truth always lies somewhere in between, because there is no such thing as unbiased reporting.
Actually, it was an article about the rise of blogs, letters to the editor,etc., that are anti-Boomer, coming not just from younger generations, but from the older ones (or one, I think that's all that's left, huh?) that got me up in arms.
Just hit a nerve, I guess.
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Gp
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When you were a kid in school you were told. You worry about you Let others worry about themselves.
Put another way.
Be very secure in who you are, what you say, and what you do. If you are secure with who you are, what everyone else does that might seem distasteful then becomes more something of amusement or curiosity. It's only when we doubt ourselves that we begin to look to what others are doing. |
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Diane Havens
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That's a nice way to look at it.
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Diane
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glittlefield
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Diane Havens wrote: | | You would never hear anyone bash the Greatest Generation, with all their collective accomplishments in such a manner without an outcry. |
Not these days, but I'd be interested in going back 40-45 years or so. 
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COURVO
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"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers."
---- Socrates (469 BC - 399 BC)
Hmmmm sounds like "nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiastes)
Thankfully, MY children are perfect and never disrespect their parents (ha!)
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dMichaelb
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"Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. "
--George Orwell (1903 - 1950)
...and what Courvo said...
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