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anthonyVO
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: The machine is... Reply with quote

Us/ing Us

Time to rethink MANY things. Nothing "new" per sé but a nice presentation nonetheless.

PEACE.
-Anthony

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todd ellis
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok - i just forwarded that link to a few very KEY people related to a project i'm working on ... thanks. very interesting and very well put together.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anthony,

Thanks for posting the link.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Cool.
Makes one think.....

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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily, up here you'll find more Macgregors and they're not users.
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louzucaro
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting.

Not to nitpick, but to be honest, we never really "teach" the machine anything. Don't forget a computer is just a dumb appliance loaded up with (as time goes on) smarter and smarter software, most of which can't do anything other than what it was programmed to do.

Sometimes what it's programmed to do is "learn" but even in those cases, it's not the same as you and I learning something. Once it "learns" something (stores it in a database & analyzes it, usually against pre-defined parameters), it can only do with that info what it's been programmed to do with it.

This is the challenge of AI...how to get a computer - or a machine of some sort - to do things it wasn't programmed to do. And to do so efficiently. Sure, a computer can calculate out complex algorithms many, many, many times faster than you or I.

On the other hand, show somebody a picture of a crowded beach scene ask him what the little baby in the Chicco stroller has in her mouth. You or I could identify "a pacifier" from that photo & question without even thinking about it. A computer, if it could even do this (accept verbal input, recognize a photograph, analyze it visually and come up with the correct answer based on the spoken question) would take an insane amount of processing power and programming to come up with that answer...I'm not sure if that kind of thing has been even remotely approached in a scenario where the speaker, photo, question and answer haven't been specifically pre-programmed as possibilities beforehand.

True, "AI" and robotics has made extraordinary leaps and bounds in the last 20 years, but we're still not too close to having C-3PO walking around our house, complaining (sadly).

And of course that leads to the questions about robotics and AI ethics since, ultimately, it could easily cause the Terminator or Matrix or I Robot or any number of other such stories to take place for real.

But that's still a ways off.

And don't forget, we're talking about websites here, not theoretical or micro-scale real-world implementations of AI.

Most websites don't even have their security set up correctly at a minimum level, don't have their e-mail servers set up correctly, etc.

So while this is a very catchy and romantic view of the Web and Web 2.0 ideas, I'm not sure how "important" the ideas are. Yes, issues like copyright always need to be re-thought through as times and technology change, but that's always been the case. Plus, as we know, setting the rules is usually the easy part. It's enforcing them that's tricky!

And the author forgot the first 't' in 'stylistic' so the whole thing's out the window as far as I'm concerned Wink
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anthonyVO
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's making a connection between us and the machine... WE are the machine - and as WE learn, the machine (which is a direct output of ourselves, especially in 2.0) "learns" as well. Since learning is a process, we are thinking and "rethinking" along the way. It's more philosophical than technical.

It's also somewhat ironic, that as humanity seems to have lost its connections (no pun intended), 2.0 is allowing us to "reconnect" if you will.

Nice eye on that missing "t" LOL

-Anthony
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Michael Schoen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a very cool video...well done.
But it highlighted the good and the bad thing about the mass use of the web.
We all are well aware of the wonderful things the web has brought us, including virtual communities like this one.
But..
Anybody can post anything -- with no editor and no discipline and no accountability.
And now it can look as official as something carefully researched and vetted in a Journalistic entity.
The opportunities for propaganda are endless and are currently being perpetrated.
Blogs are great -- but many bloggers are full of it.
Many people steal other people's ideas without accountability.
We must, as web users, bring much skepticism to the table... but I fear, the cat's out of the bag.
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anthonyVO
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good point, Michael... i think it also helps to emphasize many of the underlying issues of new media and how talent will or will not be compensated. It's a "beast" that's hard to quantify or, for that matter, contain.
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