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Jeffrey Kafer
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bobsouer
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Mike Sommer
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People are quite devoted to their gear sometimes |
Which often puzzles me. It's just --Stuff. And often temporary stuff at best too.
| Quote: | | and it's easy enough to prevent hurt feelings and rancor by not bashing. |
Fair enough. But sometimes honest learned and thoughtful critiques are cyphered as, hurtful bashing. Without honest, frank discussions problems are never solved, nothing is ever learned or gained.
As Marc Davis once asked me, "Do you want to feel good, or do you wan the truth?"
| Quote: | | It's also easy enough to render an opinion without bashing. We're communicators, let us be civil also. |
And so often the simplest of statement can be misconstrued as an attack on ones stuff. Civility is a two way street with no traffic cop.
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Deirdre
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| Quote: | Without honest, frank discussions problems are never solved, nothing is ever learned or gained.
As Marc Davis once asked me, "Do you want to feel good, or do you want the truth?" |
Well, when Marc Davis has a message board like this, you may use it to be as frank as you like.
Honesty does not need to be delivered raw. On this board, civility is the rule, and the traffic cop is me.
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captain54
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Sommer wrote: |
As Marc Davis once asked me, "Do you want to feel good, or do you wan the truth?"
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the problem is, there are those that deem themselves the ultimate authority, or the ultimate truthsayers, if you will, but yet, seemingly have insuffcient credentials, or are not willing to offer any sufficient credentials or substantiation to warrant such authority
beyond that, everyone is entitled to their gear or method of choice without being subjected to scrutiny or judgement. There is no completely definitive right or wrong way in this game. |
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Mike Sommer
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Warm FUZZES it is.
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Chris Ratliff
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I LIKE warm and fuzzy! 
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Lance Blair
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I'm afraid Marc Davis won't be having a message board anytime soon, RIP. You talked with Marc before he passed? What was that like? He breathed life into so many wonderful characters.
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georgethetech
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DG Entertainment uses a TLM103 into an Avalon 737 in their primary voiceover booth. They don't change the mic for anyone, that's what they use.
It works for them, their clients, and gives consistent results. Other studios use a 416, and others, the U87. None of them have a well stocked mic locker. All of them book a lot of work.
In the time I worked with Don LaFontaine, we had in his booth at least four different microphones, ranging from $300-$3000. Not once did an engineer ask what mic he was using. I know, it was "The Don", but the point is when your voice and talent are great you sound good on almost anything.
I guess what I am saying is in the hands of a skilled engineer, in a good sounding room, placed in the proper location, and used by a talented voice actor, a well designed mic with an excellent response curve, low noise, and a great signal chain to run through, works pretty darn well, pretty much every time.
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Ed Gambill
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A No body is going to ask Don anything.
B If he had four mics did he use them all from time to time?
C Does their willingness to use a one-size-fits all mentality make it right?
If that is the case then we only need one manufacture of microphones and that would end the concern over what is best for me.
D My guess is that all VO considered LA, Chi and NY represents only a fraction of all the VO work done on a day in and day out bases.
This brings up the proposition that maybe even DF liked to try a different flavor from time to time.
Years ago I was helping a new want to be director with a short movie. I and a friend were supplying all the production gear and video and sound. My friend is a multi Emmy winner and was an instructor at NC School of Arts. I have never won an Emmy but was teaching production sound at the NC School of Arts.
This young director wanted to know what kind of microphone I would be using. I told him the right one. It was a good shoot great video and sound.
On a personal point, I have never had a problem with personal preference. I have never had to take the opinion that because someone else uses “it” that its right for me. “The Standard of The Industry” has all way meant to me, “I can’t figure it out for my self so I take one of what they are having”.
From DG's own website. They list the following brands of microphones, Sennheiser, Neumann, AKG and Sony . Maye the will have a surplus mic sale soon.
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georgethetech
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A Yes, that seemed to be true. In fact his Manley was connected directly to a Mackie 8 bus console, no preamp, when I first came on the scene. There was buzz on the signal, for who knows how many months, and yet he continued to work.
B People would send him mics to try out, so he would. He loved gadgets and gear as much as the next guy and wasn't afraid to try stuff. But he always returned to the Manley as his default.
C Each engineer does what makes sense to them. With clients in the booth no more than 15-20 minutes a session, does it behoove him to constantly swap mics? DG has a lot of studios and mics, I was referencing their primary VO booth in particular.
D Yes, it does represent a fraction of the work done, overall. There are VO actors all over the USA doing a good business in the millions of markets and venues available.
You make a good point with “I can’t figure it out for my self so I take one of what they are having."
Most every VO actor will never have the luxury to try out a lot of mics on their voice. They'll take a suggestion from someone they trust, like the engineer at the studio they use the most, and go with it, and excel, or not. At some point in their career they'll question the mic they are using (or preamp, or software plugin) as a cause for lost work. Perhaps they'll ask me if this or that piece will help them get more work. Usually, the answer is no.
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Ed Gambill
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I was having a good time with  .
George it makes good reasoning to me that a good and well trained engineer should be able to hear a VO talent and make the right selection of microphone for that talent.
As for change out, I use quick connect mounts. So when I need optimum selection I just unplug, push a button and pull the mic off and slip another on and reconnect. Less than 40 sec., not a lot of time for the optimum recording.
The were and still are a good investment to save time.
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Mike Sommer
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| Quote: | | You talked with Marc before he passed? What was that like? |
Marc had a wonderful presence as does Alice, his wife. (The last time I
talked to Alice was about a year ago, the time before that was at the Snow
White 75th celebration in November of '07) She is such a lovely woman.
I first met Marc, on the Disney lot as a kid, then later as a young
struggling wannabe animator. At the time, all the animators were
accessible. One chance meeting with Marc, I had my portfolio with me, and
asked him if he could look at it. The first words out of his mouth were,
"Do you want the truth, or do you want to feel good." This took me back a
bit, and I understood that I could walk away feeling wonderful, or I had a
chance of making some real growth. I maned up and took the beating, and
walked away with a greater understanding of what I need to do if I was to
continue as an animator.
Over all Marc was a fine gentleman with a wonderful presence, along with
being very colorful and opinionated man. He was bigger than life. This I'm sure
enable him to make flowers croon and bears sing, and breath life into
villains, princesses and fairies alike. He loved life and his precious Alice.
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The pairing of the TLM 103 and the Avalon 737 is a great combination.
What make this such a good pairing are the transformers, the very thing
that is missing form the 103. Dr Neumann discovered long ago that in
order for a condenser capsule to sound smooth and natural a transformer is
needed -it was also needed to get the signal to a usable impedance, so that
the preamp could handle the signal. Yet, transformers can add their own
color, it's a matter of finding the proper match. There are other fine
preamp combinations, but in my findings these tend to be vintage preamps.
But what so many folks need to understand is that the room they record
in, can have more of an influence on their sound, than that of the mic or
gear itself. I can not stress this enough. And yet, it is the least
addressed factor of all.
But the most important factor is having the talent -the VO chops. A great
VO will sound good on two tin cans and a string.
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Lance Blair
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Thanks Mike for sharing your experiences with Marc Davis with us - he seemed like a fascinating and inspiring man.
As for the TLM 103 - yep, it's pretty good with a good preamp match.
I wish I had gone for a TLM 193 instead though.
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mediaking
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: EQ... |
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I started out with an MXL 990, and found it hard to shape to my voice. Then I moved to an RE20, and found things much better.
The Symetrix is only used at this point for gain and downward compression. Nothing else is turned on there.
On auditions, I do EQ. on things i know what else is going into, no processing at all. There's too many buttons to push over here.
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