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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Is there a program besides pro-tools Reply with quote

where you can set a pre-roll and punch in without setting an out point? In SF I can punch into a certain section but I have to set an in and an out. I'd like something for long-form narration where I can just punch in and edit on the fly. Anything out there except PT?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do with Adobe Audition 3, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm guessing I'll be doing so next week, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Cubase 5, and it can do both. Haven't tinkered with it much but the documentation describes it in detail.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will it do it on the same track? I'm not really familiar with how Audition works - last version I used was Cool Edit.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubase ... I have something called Cubasis that's been sitting in my computer since I bought it - but I don't know how it works. Maybe I should dig up a manual.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supposedly you can punch in, just like in ProTools. I was planning to Google: <punching> sometime after Thanksgiving. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I googled. I keep finding punching into regions. The only info I saw that seemed to leave it open ended was from the Audition manual which says somewhere that it records to another track. Not sure that's helpful, but not sure it's not. I don't know Audition - wouldn't one then have to edit the tracks together?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Melissa wrote:
Cubase ... I have something called Cubasis that's been sitting in my computer since I bought it - but I don't know how it works. Maybe I should dig up a manual.


Looks like Cubasis is an earlier version of what I think is now Cubase SE, their lite edition. I don't know if it has the functionality you describe, but it would be worth looking at.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Melissa wrote:
I don't know Audition - wouldn't one then have to edit the tracks together?

No, there's a command to mix the tracks down.

However, I can't imagine punching into new tracks everytime I made a mistake. A single chapter of an audiobook would have many many tracks to mix down. Seems kind of silly. Easier just to edit after the fact.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an article from Voice Over Xtra that discusses this technique and how it pertains to audiobooks.

And here's how to do it in Audition 3:
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Punch into a selected range in Multitrack ViewIf you’re dissatisfied with a time range of a recorded clip, you can select that range and punch in a new recording, leaving the original clip intact. Though you can record into a specific range without punching in, punching in lets you hear audio immediately before and after a range.

1.In the Main panel, drag the Time Selection tool in the appropriate track to select a time range for the clip.

2.Make sure that the correct track input is selected.

3.Choose Clip > Punch In.

4.Position the start‑time indicator a few seconds before the selected range. The Arm For Record button for the track is now activated in the Main panel.

5.In the Transport panel, do one of the following:
To punch in a single take, click the Record button.
To punch in multiple takes, right‑click the Record button, choose a Loop While Recording option, and then click the Loop While Recording button.


I always record in 'edit' view, not multitrack. I'm going to have to experiment with this.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea of "Punching In" is to have an out point, otherwise it's just another take. So just do a wiled take and edit in.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the way I do it now, Mike. Sometimes it's tricky to match tone and inflection. That's why I was thinking that having a little pre-roll would be helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can punch into a range on SF. What I want to do is not have an out point. I want to be able to back up before a flub, set a pre-roll so I can hear what I've recorded and have it kick into record as I re-record over the flub. Just as if I were punching into a region. However I want it to continue to record, until I hit my next flub or go to lunch or something. Then there'll be less editing time.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I ever punch is if I need a take to match something I did previously. I stick the old VO on track 1, and play it back while recording on track 2. That way I know exactly how the pickup needs to sound to mesh with the old VO and you can do a simple mixdown if you need to keep both parts together.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a most-time consuming way of editing. Talk about breaking your stride! I can't imagine doing this in an audiobook. It would ruin the flow of the story-telling. not to mention, if you're reading from a Hobo LaughingF, you'll have to switch back to the audio application.

You're better off getting a dog clicker and clicking twice after you make a mistake and repeat the line. Then you'll have a visual spike in editing so you know exactly where to cut.
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