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melissa eX MMD

Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 2794 Location: Lower Manhattan, New Amsterdam, the original NYC
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: Is there a program besides pro-tools |
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where you can set a pre-roll and punch in without setting an out point? In SF I can punch into a certain section but I have to set an in and an out. I'd like something for long-form narration where I can just punch in and edit on the fly. Anything out there except PT? |
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asnively Triple G

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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You can do with Adobe Audition 3, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm guessing I'll be doing so next week, though. _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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cyclometh King's Row

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I use Cubase 5, and it can do both. Haven't tinkered with it much but the documentation describes it in detail. _________________ Corey "Vox Man" Snow
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melissa eX MMD

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Will it do it on the same track? I'm not really familiar with how Audition works - last version I used was Cool Edit. |
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melissa eX MMD

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Cubase ... I have something called Cubasis that's been sitting in my computer since I bought it - but I don't know how it works. Maybe I should dig up a manual.
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asnively Triple G

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Supposedly you can punch in, just like in ProTools. I was planning to Google: <punching> sometime after Thanksgiving.  _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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melissa eX MMD

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I googled. I keep finding punching into regions. The only info I saw that seemed to leave it open ended was from the Audition manual which says somewhere that it records to another track. Not sure that's helpful, but not sure it's not. I don't know Audition - wouldn't one then have to edit the tracks together? |
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cyclometh King's Row

Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 1051 Location: Olympia, WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Melissa wrote: | Cubase ... I have something called Cubasis that's been sitting in my computer since I bought it - but I don't know how it works. Maybe I should dig up a manual. |
Looks like Cubasis is an earlier version of what I think is now Cubase SE, their lite edition. I don't know if it has the functionality you describe, but it would be worth looking at. _________________ Corey "Vox Man" Snow
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4931 Location: Location, Location!
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Melissa wrote: | I don't know Audition - wouldn't one then have to edit the tracks together? |
No, there's a command to mix the tracks down.
However, I can't imagine punching into new tracks everytime I made a mistake. A single chapter of an audiobook would have many many tracks to mix down. Seems kind of silly. Easier just to edit after the fact. _________________ Jeff
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asnively Triple G

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Here's an article from Voice Over Xtra that discusses this technique and how it pertains to audiobooks.
And here's how to do it in Audition 3:
Quote: | Punch into a selected range in Multitrack ViewIf you’re dissatisfied with a time range of a recorded clip, you can select that range and punch in a new recording, leaving the original clip intact. Though you can record into a specific range without punching in, punching in lets you hear audio immediately before and after a range.
1.In the Main panel, drag the Time Selection tool in the appropriate track to select a time range for the clip.
2.Make sure that the correct track input is selected.
3.Choose Clip > Punch In.
4.Position the start‑time indicator a few seconds before the selected range. The Arm For Record button for the track is now activated in the Main panel.
5.In the Transport panel, do one of the following:
To punch in a single take, click the Record button.
To punch in multiple takes, right‑click the Record button, choose a Loop While Recording option, and then click the Loop While Recording button.
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I always record in 'edit' view, not multitrack. I'm going to have to experiment with this. _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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Mike Sommer A Hundred Dozen

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: |
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The idea of "Punching In" is to have an out point, otherwise it's just another take. So just do a wiled take and edit in. _________________ The Blog:
http://voiceoveraudio.blogspot.com/
Acoustics are counter-intuitive. If one thing is certain about acoustics, it is that if anything seems obvious it is probably wrong. |
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asnively Triple G

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: |
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That's the way I do it now, Mike. Sometimes it's tricky to match tone and inflection. That's why I was thinking that having a little pre-roll would be helpful. _________________ the Amy Snively family of brands for all your branded thing needs.
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melissa eX MMD

Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 2794 Location: Lower Manhattan, New Amsterdam, the original NYC
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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I can punch into a range on SF. What I want to do is not have an out point. I want to be able to back up before a flub, set a pre-roll so I can hear what I've recorded and have it kick into record as I re-record over the flub. Just as if I were punching into a region. However I want it to continue to record, until I hit my next flub or go to lunch or something. Then there'll be less editing time. |
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JTVG Backstage Pass
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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The only time I ever punch is if I need a take to match something I did previously. I stick the old VO on track 1, and play it back while recording on track 2. That way I know exactly how the pickup needs to sound to mesh with the old VO and you can do a simple mixdown if you need to keep both parts together. _________________ Joe Szymanski
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Jeffrey Kafer Assistant Zookeeper

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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This is a most-time consuming way of editing. Talk about breaking your stride! I can't imagine doing this in an audiobook. It would ruin the flow of the story-telling. not to mention, if you're reading from a F, you'll have to switch back to the audio application.
You're better off getting a dog clicker and clicking twice after you make a mistake and repeat the line. Then you'll have a visual spike in editing so you know exactly where to cut. _________________ Jeff
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