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Jason Huggins
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Just for fun I did a quick recording of my furnace (literally 3 feet from the door of my studio) running with the door open and the door shut.
http://therealcoolguy.com/audio/quicksoundtest.mp3
The only thing you can hear is the computer noise (I have my iMac in the studio for now). The last recording is with the furnace off so you can hear that there is practically no difference in the room when the door is shut. |
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georgethetech
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Green Glue rocks, have used it on every build in the last 5 years. With that small a space to work with, in the end a used WhisperRoom will be FAR less hassle, faster to assemble (1 day vs several weekends), about the same $ or cheaper, has ventilation, and has a resale value. It will NOT stop low frequency rumble, but mid-high range air wooshing from fans no problem.
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Scott Lyle
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that's a good point, george. building projects can often take on a life of their own, especially when you can't go pick something up easily at the home center.
you mentioned finding too much information with a web search: back when monk built his studio last year he referenced the book Home Recording Studio Build it Like the Pros by Rod Gervais. I've yet to get it myself (big help i am-can't even review it  ) , but maybe that could be a starting point for you if you're set on building. i also saw monk used SilentCaulk at the joints for the floor and ceiling.
by resilient channel, are you refering to steel studs or something like hat channel? would steel studs be better to build with than wood since you can tuck the insulation inside them? would that help to reduce sound transmission?
i'm no sound guy, but if you have a question about the carpentry aspect of it I would be glad to try and help.
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Jason Huggins
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Wood and steel studs supposedly make no difference if the walls are decoupled. Resilient channel is similar to hat channel but it was originally made to decouple the walls. It doesn't have the solid walls that the hat channel does, but is installed the same way. Resilient channel has kind of become synonymous with hat channel though, depending on who you talk to, and there isn't get lab data on a lot of the versions of resilient channel.
From what I've read, typical insulation won't be soundproofing much at all. The sound transfers through the solid parts, not the air. The only way to stop sound is mass and space. This is why decoupling the walls is essential for stopping sound.
Clips show a good reduction in sound transference, but they are expensive. Double layer 5/8" with green glue and whisperclips (or the like) would work well...but thickness is gonna be a problem still. |
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vkuehn
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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would steel studs be better to build with than wood since you can tuck the insulation inside them? would that help to reduce sound transmission?
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No, you want the mass and rigidty of the wood. Steel can resonate with some frequencies... but that is more likely to be a problem in a music studio than a voice studio.
The insulation inside the wall does virtually nothing to stop sound transmission. 30 years ago I bought one of the new generation Energy-efficient homes. 6 inches walls with insulation... which did stop heat transfer. The real estate sales rep said: All you have to do is light up a cigar once a day and the heat of that one match will keep your home warm. Silly, yes, but slightly truthful. BUT. my retired neighbor would sit on his side yard patio at night after I had gone to bed. He would smoke a cigar. I could hear him strike the match when he lit the cigar. Insulation DOES LITTLE to stop sound. (I've sometimes wondered what he heard from OUR side of the wall late at night.  ) |
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Lee Gordon
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| soundgun wrote: | | a used WhisperRoom will be FAR less hassle, faster to assemble (1 day vs several weekends), about the same $ or cheaper, has ventilation, and has a resale value. |
You are probably right. But in order to buy one, there has to be one for sale. I have only looked on Craigslist and other than the $500 one I missed out on and a huge one that a local studio was unloading for around 7 grand, there haven't been any others listed. I'm not sure what other resources there might be to find one.
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| Quote: | | I could hear him strike the match when he lit the cigar |
I'm guessing your bedroom had a window--probably not the wall insulation that was the culprit. |
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NeilTheVoice
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On Jasons point about being near a furnace and water heater, my set up is the same, only problem I have is the studio gets VERY hot, its just me and the mic in there but still super hot! Dont get any leak of sound into the booth, found that sealing up all joints with bathroom sealant did the job - sounds crazy, but does a fantastic job.
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Monk
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Having built my own space, I can tell you, a construction project takes time. I had a spare room so that was easy.
A whisper room or small booth works for some people, I stepped into Amy's booth and couldn't believe how boomy it was for my voice. For hers it's like butter.
I prefer to have a room with air and volume, 1500 cubic feet is a good starting place.
In my build I used GreenGlue and love it. Can't hear the neighbors at all. I can still hear the train on a cold clear night when it's booming up the hill a mile away.. but it passes in less than a minute.
It's faint, but it's low frequency and it carries through the valley.
The booth I use at work is a Wenger, it's 4' by 6' and we treated the walls just to tone it down some more. But even then, if there's running in the hallways... you hear it. boom boom boom..
Mass and air... mass and air...
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Spring arrived last week....
And with it.... The birds.
My window plug? Suddenly useless.
A half dozen moving blankets later?
Working again.
Birdseed? Cheep.
Ingenuity? Priceless. 
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Lee Gordon
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A couple of weeks ago I stocked up on moving blankets when Harbor Freight had them for 6 bucks apiece.
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Donna
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Lee, I'm so with you on TMI paralysis. Still haven't built/bought a booth. My house is for sale at the moment, so that has kind of taken focus a little, but that's another story.
Has anyone heard of Sonic Technology booths?
http://www.sonicsoundrooms.com/index.html
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Lee Gordon
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That looks pretty interesting. But, if I haven't mentioned it before, I'm a bit of a cheapskate and I am fairly convinced I can build a functional booth for considerably less than four grand.
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georgethetech
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thanks for creating my topic for this Sunday's east-west audio body shop, guys.
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Lee Gordon
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I guess I'd better tune in.
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